Hi Guys, I am just looking through these pages when I came across this Grawl sound. I gave what was suggested a try and hey presto. GGRRAAWWLL Just like a cat purring. Top notch advice............
Hey Jaw,Glad you posted ,its hard for me to explain a sound,but alot of pros make the sound ,and when i here it ,there is no misteak about what i,m hearing , 2 pros at the top of my head are Mike Steavens and Willie Nelson harp player Rafael,both use it often.
Hi harpsters - I haven't listened to the part you are thinking of but it might be sort of the opposite of using flutter tongue on the trumpet "you know, the playing card in the bicycle spokes sound" but on the harp when you draw you could maybe try the fake snoring sound. As I read this I realize how weird this sounds and am tempted to hit delete, but what the hey. here it goes.
After listning about 2oo times ,maybe i heard it wrong or wanted to here it,in Rock n Blues harp Vol 3,, Ule Bule lesson 7 approx 4 to 10 sec.in track.I think what i heard was your perfect vibrato. But Bald above post is close, i just have to learn one word( perro) and i will have my grawl tong flutter. Thanks Jon
Bald, I think we are on same page,I cant speak spanish,but was told by a spanish guy at work to learn to say Dog (perro) and i would get the flutter or grawl. It works like you just discribe,but i cannot do it,it takes alot of practice to train tip of tongue to relax. Thanks
Now it sounds like a true vibratto, the fast fluttering up and down of pitch from the throat. What we need is where it happens in "Ule Bule". Ule Bule is located and listened to for free on Gindick.com under Jon's Jam Room.
If you are describing what I am thinking of, not everyone can do it. Basically, you create the growl sound by fluttering your uvula while you play. You've got to raise the back of your tongue just enough to get the uvula to flutter in your airflow. With practice you'll be able to do it in an inhale or exhale and it will sound like a cat purring. When you play harp this way you can open and close your hands and create a fun "Rrraaaawr, Rrraaaawrrr" sound instead of the usual "Wah, Wah". I've been able to do this since I was little, and often used the technique to sound like I was talking underwater. It was much later when I figured out I could use it in my harp playing. Winton Marsalis occasionally does it while playing trumpet.
I think it's a genetic thing like curling your tongue or trilling your R's. (I can curl my tongue, but can't trill my R's.)
Flutter-grawl? Perhaps that was the night I ate beans! If you hear it on Ule Bule, you are hearing it on a C harp. I am wondering if it's the growl one can get on 3d and 2d bends, or if it's a pull-off, or....at what time exactly do you hear it in the file? Jon
First this is a great old site with a fantastic new look,thanks Jon. I keep hearing grawling sound or flutter-gurgle ,be cannot figure how it it done . I heard it today on Ule Bule while playing CD driving to work. I have asked this ? before on other sites ,and no one ever answers me. Its not a hand vibrato and it is done on lower keys. Just to cool not to learn. Thanks.:yawn:
